Video Infoblog: Lori Gardi - The Fractal Woman in a Fractal Electric Universe

28 Jan 2023 #Cymatics​​​​​​ #Abiogenesis​​​ #Akasha​​​​​​

Lori Gardi is a computer scientist and a fractal cosmologist. Her independent research into the fractal nature of the universe has led her to a novel black hole theory that differs from the standard model of black holes. Her discovery of the black hole nature of the Mandelbrot set may lead to a new way of understanding the black holes; not the mathematical (relativistic) black holes of the standard model, but the actual black holes that nature makes. If this theory proves to be correct, and nature makes quasi-black holes (M-Set black holes), then relativity cannot be the correct model for black holes. Gardi also proposes a novel way to unify cosmology, not by unifying forces, but by unifying scales. Instead of unifying forces that appear at different scales, such as gravity and electromagnetism, we should be “calibrating” the relationships at one scale, and applying that to all scales. “In order to unify physics and cosmology, we need to scale the laws of physics”, says Gardi.

Intro

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all right that's it okay so we have Richard Robert Jim buddy

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Laurie Jack / Dave the other Rodrigue I

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got mine - Eugene in time so good so how is everyone doing this is a 46 inch

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plasma TV by the way plasma TV can you

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define plasma I've never heard of it before everyone knows everyone else in

Discord Server

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many cases so we're very familiar but just so you know Richard is the gentleman who runs our discord server

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for all the people who like to chat constantly with no limits with regards

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to electric universe and the electric view has a channel there and we have about 50 people or so who pop on to

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rooms and chat with each other and and post videos and so forth I can't express

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my gratitude to Richard so much for this because it would be impossible to do by

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yourself and because he's there and people like Ramon and others and myself

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just jump on there to say hi and so that people get to just have a random chat

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with us so we get to do that and of course everyone here is more than welcome to be invited to that as well

Robert Hawthorne

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I'm sure Richard could drop a link in there for you

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of course Robert Hawthorne is Robert Hawthorne's father so they're senior and junior here the one with the face is the

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junior the one with the RH is the senior and he is an expert on I would say I

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would say he knows more about theology than all probably ever learned so

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I'm very impressed with his breadth of knowledge his a great storyteller Jim of course master physicist knows knows his

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expertise on what I've noticed in regards to the local area of the Sun and

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are part of a glad to garam things that we don't even think about this is what

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he thinks about and it is very deep thoughts of course buddy Laurie I don't

Lori Gardi

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know you so but buddy tell me about real

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quick I met Lori at mathematical bridges

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mathematical art and science exhibit thing in Ontario or wait where was it

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yeah it was in Waterloo Ontario yep and this this ladies and gentlemen is

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fractal woman and she literally blew my mind

Introduction

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welcome to the March 31st edition of the electric view on Neil Thompson today we

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have Richard Robert Robert Jim buddy Dave and Matt with our special guest Laurie garden who is with us as we

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explore her work and the fractal nature of the universe please take a moment to light it's 5:00

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go ahead I'm sorry Laurie please buddy look a practical woman you're gonna find

Meet Lori Gardi

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me oh look up front you're gonna find everything it'll be about me probably so that's an easy gig do you want Laurie to

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tell you about Laurie you know what I was only here to see you I was only a big buddy to introduce you but go ahead

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either what talk over yeah brief introduction okay yeah no like buddy and

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I hit it off like within minutes I met him like as I was driving into the parking lot to that conference and I saw

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him he was wearing a costume and it looked and I'm like oh I should have worn a costume and actually technically

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I did because I had a giant fractal shirt that I made to wear around the conference so yeah so that was really

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great it's what conference was there's question it was the bridges the art

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meets science art meets science I didn't even know that that was such a thing and certainly denial anyway Waterloo it's

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helped it's held in a different city every year so that sat here it wasn't

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Waterloo the airport was in Seoul I think and next year in country yeah and

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Stockholm or something this year I don't know I don't know we're having it this year but because I live in London

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Ontario which is only an hour away from Waterloo so it was easy for me to go to that conference it's funny does it a lot

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of Canadians here now I'm from Moncton Chris is from okay Fredericton Richard I

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believe is from Toronto are you virgin I guess he's he's probably still hooking

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something up but still oh yeah yeah we're we're like a plague yes yes yes

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we're going to politely take over the world please be seated yeah I am in Toronto

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and I am still building this TV stand so I'm just enjoying this conversation

Art Meets Science Conference

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already it's just nice to meet new people Laurie and it's nice that you went to for some Waterloo I have not even heard

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of this thing there's some good soil bit worried about I have a funny story about

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the conference that happened to me okay it was an art meets science conference okay

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and so I'm an artist when I'm also a scientist I'm actually a computer scientist and I you know how I have my

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own like black hole theory but it's based on practical geometry I don't know if you ran into that but so I wrote up a

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beautiful paper submitted it to the conference and they rejected it but they

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rejected it in the most god-awful way you could imagine they they trashed me

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oh my gosh me like so badly it was like how dare you not you know go against

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relativity and like if you read the letter you would be shot it was so bad it made me cry oh that's not cool

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no no we've had we've had a the the stories that you're telling here like

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this I got you everyone every one of us have had to run into

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that person who goes no no you must believe in the sacred story oh you know

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come on because my black hole series is a beautiful Theory like literally

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because it's based on the Mandelbrot set which is the most beautiful fractal in my opinion okay so I thought over art

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meets science surely they'll see the beauty and what I'm saying no whoever reviewed might like they

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actually had peer review on the paper but in this it was just it was just a conference like it's not that it's just

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a conference but you know what I mean like oh do I know you know then it

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should have been fun I thought it was going to be fun but they spoiled my fun that way anyway cuz you're met buddy so

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I I did and I went and I did the art show I got except my art got accepted so

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you know I did my art show which was great and that's where I met buddy and you know we had a great conference so

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and yeah so good I've hurt my feelings a little black peer reviews care of you

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right I rewrote the paper I made an even better paper and then I presented it at

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the John Chapelle natural philosophy Society conference in Vancouver

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you'll give more love there for sure I did yeah I was way back wait I don't know if you know about that there

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actually oh I know the word natural philosophy is all I need to hear yeah it's very close yeah it's a closely

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linked to people basically in fact it could be argued that the electric

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universe is somewhat the third or I

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guess it's a third leg of the electric universe if I was to put the legs in open in the strong strength order

Electric Universe

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there'd be plasma cosmology Velikovsky catastrophism type stuff and all that

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entails natural philosophy is is a big aspect to that because there is a there

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is a known situation that I mean me and Jim have argued on that several times

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just the point that you can have a society and when you're talking about

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it's like they fractured it the sciences

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in they no longer have people who are generalists people who were who would

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connect disparate sides of a coin and that that's exactly what I'm doing so my

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goal is to reconnect all those things so there has to be a an underlying

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philosophy and there has to be like I'm a computer scientist right and I want to

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rewrite the program so that's what I'm trying to do I want to rewrite the program the program is really bad

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relativity and quantum mechanics the language is terrible I hate it and and

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trying to learn it okay we-we've you're in the right spot you're in the right spot because to be frank we're we've

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left it a long time ago know it no one here I don't think anyone

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here I'm pretty sure anyone in this room would go relativity yeah that's on solid

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footing I totally believe that I don't think anyone here would say that so there are you

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like basically what I do is I collect puzzle pieces right and so every little every leaning relativity has something I

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can take from it like every thing that I've studied I've been able to take oh this is the good piece and this is it's

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the language is the problem so language is the problem that's where they're making some really big mistakes and so I

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want to fix that and that's what I'm doing and I think I'm really actually doing it really you know they're very

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close to having a you know a final draft on you know a new language that that

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connect that unifies everything so instead of unifying relativity and quantum mechanics

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I'm unifying principles I'm unifying principles and it's too hard to explain

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right now I call it the principle of incommensurability a term that I got from ken wheeler you probably know who

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ken wheeler is yep Tommy you might know who can wheeler so you know not everyone here knows who he is yeah I'm glad you

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appreciate it I hope you appreciate who he is oh I will argue with him a lot but still

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I mean I argue with a lot of people so it's fine it's the language barrier

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again it's a language so I I'm trying to take his stuff and rewrite it in a way

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that people can understand and that's what my video of a video series on that called it's called understanding ken

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wheelers missing secrets of magnetism so yeah I'm you know I'm trying to pull

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all these things together everyone's got something good to say everyone I want to

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come back to this then because two things number one this is fascinating

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and because when we're talking about the fact that you're this is I missed this

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really and thank you so much buddy because I know that buddy has a wrestle

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Ian Walter Russell he went to a conference and that led to a wonderful

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group of people who like yourself have have a the recognizer has to be sort of

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a harmony between philosophy and science in a way that we in an artistic sense

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that we can make sense of it in addition the philosophy of science of course being physics as it is

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you know broke it down into numbers and so forth but then they lose as you said through language or through

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misconception lose what the heck they're talking about that's also very fascinating that's but also I'd like to

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apologize for what's about to happen because you're about to start talking about the electric universe and you're

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going to go whoa whoa by the way and it'll be a lot of fun so enjoy the next

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12 years because that's how long it took me so this is fantastic so we're gonna

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move right on down the list there obviously everyone knows buddy Jack Josh David clinger who who sends me

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so many pictures I'm going through them and I have to go okay let's get the okay

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recognize that recognize that okay no I'm gonna blow this up on my full screen and look at it what the heck is he pointing out here that's how my

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conversations with him go so how are you doing there jack I think Cameron has

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just joined so I just heard a pop in there and we go ahead Jack Dave I'm Dave

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Jack ejected I'm here can you hear me yes I can hear you go ahead probably not

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be able to talk to people yes that's all that's why I made the we wanted the discord group to still be up and to do

Discord Group

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this as well because talking and getting people out there who have different points of view on the electric universe

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is what's the community and it doesn't have nearly enough voices there's no

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there's no cosmos TV show besides the Thunderbolts project and there's no Bill

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Nye the Science Guy thing you know there's no conferences televised all the time there's no arguments there's just

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people on forums yelling and that's it's not exactly how the most conducive work

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is done I guess go ahead I did mean

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interrupt totally and like ran you read oh I'm just happy to be a fly on the

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wall I'm gonna a conversation in a group with a physicist I think I'm doing pretty well

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though well yeah good master Pasteur a physicist yeah even better we have a now

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we have a computer programmer an electrical engineer we have oh yeah the whole group here we're all crazy

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what's your expertise there mass psychology psychologists oh the fourth

Julian James

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leg thank you very much and the fourth leg of the electric rooters in my opinion is probably something along the

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lines of Julian James as evidence with regards to the psychology of man over time if I camera mind yes that's it's

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it's a well-loved thing by the electric universe people because it shows a

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there's evidence in his book that shows that it's um something happened about 2700 years ago that made us into us and

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he said before that we were very weird and we spoke very weird and we did very weird things and he didn't know why is

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that he had an idea but he didn't know and so of course combine that with a little Velikovsky of it's from a

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different source entirely and well you end up with a connection but if you know

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I'm mergers and that's that that natural philosophy that we were talking about

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earlier with with Laurie there when you combine that brings things together what

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did he say the change was well he thought that the change was do something

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happened he thought like if his big comparison was between Homer's The Iliad

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and the Odyssey and he referenced in the Iliad which is basically a thesis about

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1500 pages long but his his concept was

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that they didn't have a they didn't have an idea of what the concept of I was

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that there was no inner monologue in your head that they had no they were

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conscious but not self-conscious that way they were not but separated from themselves and they would not say things

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like back in it being Homer's The Iliad they would say things like I hold that

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within my eyes herecome spoke to me I did her bidding you that type of stuff in the Odyssey

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Odysseus was a normal human being going how the hell am I going to get through this problem I see that guy over there

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we need to go around him we're going Hilda's Cyclops everyone ready you know and it was a completely different

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mindset and that that he realized that at around something happened just at the

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birth of like Siddhartha buddhism confucianism taoism all of the the birth

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of the the fall of the Etruscans and the birth of the Roman Empire all that kind of thing we're all something happened

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that we all became us and before that we were we were very literal

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we didn't that's what makes miss confusing because we automatically throw upon a myth the idea that it is mythic

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that it is a metaphor that it is a story to tell where they were saying no no no

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this thing just came down and burned that mountain up and killed everyone in that field like that's not what happened

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that's what happened like so it's not a metaphor no matter for here so that's

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that idea was his his the interesting evidence that sort of supports Selleck

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oski in Velikovsky didn't even know about it and Julie and James didn't know about Velikovsky they were completely in

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different fields but they merged at exactly the same point and say something the end of the last events in the sky

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was about 700 BC after that the skies were more like what they are today uh

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it's interesting let's get back to then what I was having a wonderful

The Fractal Paradigm

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conversation regarding the ideas of black holes and Laurie you were now in

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the electric universe there's obviously for those watching at home or whatever

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there is the idea that we in most cases we're under the impressions they are plasmoid the effects that they have the

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pulling towards the Senate uh is a the

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Lorentz force the the force that allows you to shrink coins in terms of the

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plasma universe the reason I really like it is because it supports the fractal

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paradigm right because plaz plasma and plasmids are scalable structures you can

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have cosmological ones like galaxies and you can have you know small ones that

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you can experiment with in you know at your scale so they're scalable which which puts them in the realm of the

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fractal paradigm and so that's the main reason that I started leaning towards the electric universe it makes sense

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right you need you need a scalable the laws of physics as they currently stand in the

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standard model in mainstream are not scalable and that's the mistake they're

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making they turned on scale the laws of physics they do actually because the

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gravitational force equation and the Coulomb force equation look exactly the

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same right oh great so they they don't they

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don't recognize that they've actually scaled the laws of physics by doing that and that the laws are similar at both

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scales not the same but in the fractal paradigm itself similarity not self same right so it's similar phenomenon going

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on at different scales so that's what those two equations mean to me there is scaling the laws of physics they just

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don't realize it right so yo there's no they're already unified technically in my mind right I

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suppose if you plug in if you plug in Planck mass in the gravity equation and

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Planck charge in the Coulomb equation you get the same answer the force is

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unified what was it just like if you type in if you plug in so in the you

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know what is it F equals GMM over R squared the gravity gravity yeah very

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quick yeah oh the gravity force equation right if you plug in st. mass to that okay and then you take the Coulomb

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equation F equals k QQ over all right weird and again Planck charge in there

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you get the same answer you get the same answer you get the same course the

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forces are unified when you did so you so youth well but Brett we know that gravity is a

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significantly greater force on the whole I mean the G constant is significance on

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the k-state it when you but that's only because you're forgetting to scale the

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laws of physics if you shrunk yourself down to the scale a quat vidya you know

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the quantum scale if you shrunk yourself down there the force would be that would feel the same

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so there's scale relativity so relativity is missing they have you know the all the other relativity stuff but

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they're forgetting scale relativity we actually have a big debate whether or not relativity is even real large debate

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on that for us I yeah I know I don't like when people say this is real and

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that is real because there is a phenomenon that they're trying to describe in relativity and that's real

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okay maybe the math that they have isn't right or something out is wrong in their interpretation which is where I command

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when you throw dark matter in the equation they're probably wrong but but yes go dark matter there is a phenomenon

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which is the reason why they discovered they realized that there was something there's not nothing it's not dark matter

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it's not matter at all but there's something and they're trying to describe it and they they call it dark matter and

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I have a dark matter in my model too right so you can't just say there's no

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dark matter without replacing the interview know the phenomena which in C

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flat rotation curves of galaxies right that's one reason they think there's

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dark matter and the way that galaxies clumped also gives us you know there's at a different scale so that is why we

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think there's dark matter that's why they think there's dark matter that's why they invented it Wow I love that

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maybe you said that actually fractal

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geometry saw a beast mind you look at my black role model which is the Mandelbrot

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set as a quasi black hole look it up the Mandelbrot set

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has a quasi black hole perfect and mmm

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there we go I have a video on it you could click on that click on the paper because then you can scroll through it

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right so go back the second one in the list click on that that should be my

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research gate one oh cool yeah and I

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just this is what this is what I present I you know submitted to that bridges

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conference where they gave me like a terrible review okay man I rewrote it

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made it better so this is the better version it's much much better I mean they forced me to because I had to

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address their issues I didn't just ignore them even though they were harsh I still took it seriously and said okay

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how can i address how can I explain to them you know what I'm trying to say

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without insulting that I saying yeah I so basically I avoid relativity by saying what if Einstein never existed

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what if with net what if relativity was never invented could we still have a concept of a black

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hole and I say yes because that's the Mandelbrot set taught me that black

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holes that this is the equation for black hole in my humble opinion the black holes that nature me we should

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actually give credit to Einstein as well because even Einstein Eddington as much

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as I will totally trash editing a little bit and his students it was his students

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were the ones who specifically one student Sullivan Chandrasekhar

Eddington

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he was the individual who ended up inventing black holes and what he did

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was he basically divided by zero and that argument he said no you can't do

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that the same way that Tesla said any you can twice yeah well see Eddington is anything had the

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had the basically he wanted to become famous he grabbed ahold of Einstein and

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said I'm going to prove Einstein right and then within that was 9th May May 1st

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1919 when he did that observation of the Sun saw the little dot move and then claimed gravity bent light there's no

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evidence that that's true so but we did see a movement so that should be noted

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there's no reason to deny the data we just denied a theory and that is

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different explanation the facts and also

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does not self falsify that C in my argument with regards to the reason I

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brought up dark matter and I'm happy that you're here because it forces me to explain these little off-the-cuff jokes

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we get we often get sucked into your or you can get basically stuck in your own echo chamber with regards to things like

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the electric universe you'll hear people making fun of Neil deGrasse Tyson how stupid is he how stupid is he how stupid

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is this guy and so forth I do very much try not to do that because Newton is was

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not an idiot he was he he did nothing wrong and he made no mistakes even it

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was his followers later I think the only thing that was ever a problematic was the word universal get struck under the

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top of it and that's great but the myth but but that's what happens when you're

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dealing with I'm sorry just laughing at your video there but it's good it's good

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good but when it comes in and it does that and and you see the what happens to

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people it's the same thing when like in the falsification aspect of for me the

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the Big Bang paradigm is dark matter in most cases in all actually no not in

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most cases I'm sorry all cases besides this as I know of maybe one other

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the theory has to be so sacrosanct as to as to never be questioned the issue

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becomes when suddenly you have our plotting the galaxy curve and you end up

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having the curve not adhere to a spinning vortex as it should if it was

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surrounded by a massive black hole then there must be additional mass somewhere

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else somehow holding this together that is the explanation or the reason for it

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is because when you get right down to it the equation says blah this is what how much mass there must be the discrepancy

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is between these two numbers what we see and what there should be therefore what they say additional mass now the problem

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is is that that's not science not remotely

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that's not how any of this works okay when you come up with something like that that is called being wrong and when

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you're wrong you are supposed to start again because you're wrong exactly and

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they didn't take no for an answer they literally just walked right on and kept on going their assumption was wrong the

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assumption was that the particles all the particles in the galaxy are orbiting

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the black hole like the planets orbit the Sun that was their big mistake because they are not orbiting any more

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then let's say you take a hunk of metal and you spin it and the particle that

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the particles on that hunk of metal are not orbiting the center of the metal you know the galaxy is one object yes not

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bunch of objects orbiting a black hole it is one correct that is right it's

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amazing that you've reached this had not even gone through the same path that we've got I'm very impressed by this

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it's thank you it's I think it's obvious and that's why we're all getting it we

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had to sift through the crap right we've had to know what throw away at least

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that's what I had to do today I tried to do it their way and I couldn't do it and I realized Oh

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there's two bug in the program there's about in the program and I have videos on that too well you're doing the same

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thing we're doing but your story is not unlike Jim's Jim you were saying the

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same thing when you were you encountered this same situation you tried to work very hard within the confines of what

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they were providing now because of that diligence that you put forth in your

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work if I'm not mistaken this allowed you like you've shown me stuff that I

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don't see because of that reason because you're still very much attached to the

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data itself and you know basically this the intricacies of what they're talking

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about but still they have a lack of concept to there they still refer to things as clouds and stuff like that

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am I wrong there you are yeah you're right yeah I think yeah you were yeah

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you were just involved in that I think you tried to work in their field but like you said it's it's very hard it's

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now luckily I've as much as I enjoyed the science when growing up and was but

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the popularization of a certain concept over a certain idea was not what science

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was like something weird happened in the 60s when Star Trek happened where

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everyone sort of liked it suddenly things like quantum space subspace

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hyperspace alternate dimensions and all that became something that was real but

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there's no evidence anywhere at all that space fens or that we can bend or break through to

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another dimension there's some scant evidence based on some we'll call it

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spooky quantum stuff but we're not even sure look at there so look at the screen it says space-time curvature I know it

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drives me nuts I used to I used to have like I used to do this thing at parties you know with them with the garbage bag

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you know and and and and show like that's how much of a nerd I was that's what I was doing to

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get laid oh my god I was terrible but that worked out for me yeah not good

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geometry doesn't contradict space-time curvature in fact it explains it fractal

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geometry explains why space well I don't say space-time I don't pay space-time but why space is curved

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it's fractal curvature it's not that cut it's not trampoline curvature it's a different kind of curvature that unless

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you understand peroxisomes you don't understand it I know that's why I don't have to contradict space-time curvature

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I'm just really defining it so you see the curve on the Mandelbrot set that

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outer edge that fuzzy part that's a curve if it's literally a super super

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super freakishly complex curve right and that and I believe that that's what

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space-time is based on Kircher I find had an insight into that and it is a

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curvature but they didn't understand fractal geometry they didn't understand

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scale relativity and so they couldn't understand how you know a spacetime can

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curve and create gravity but my fractal black hole model kind of explains it and

33:45

I talked about that in my paper and and in this video so the furthest fractal

33:50

geometry can explain things not just describe them relativity is just a

33:56

description it's not an explanation it's an output not an input right so

34:01

fractal geometry is more is closer to the truth but it doesn't have to deny

34:08

space-time curvature it doesn't see the black part that's dark matter in my

34:13

model and the outer gradient that's dark energy and and the the bright curve on

34:18

the outside that's a visible matter visible batter only makes up that's why visible matter only makes up 4% of the

34:25

universe look at that curve that only makes up 4% of that picture that has to where the curvature is can I meant sure

34:33

as I understand it I mean berkland currents go from absolutely massive

34:42

sighs all the way down to the microscale so that is that is basically the

34:50

Mandelbrot set and fractal ization in in 1:1 cannot be not nice as a basis of the

34:58

universe itself my plasma naturally seems to do this filamentary and that

Plasma

35:03

doesn't seem to go down and down and down them it's a it's it's a minimal I

35:09

think what's happening is as their minimal energy configurations and you

35:15

have surface tension you have surface tension on all scales so this minimal

35:22

energy configuration builds bodies and creatures naturally when you add

35:27

rotating magnetic fields you have volumetric flow and surface tension at

35:34

all scales that's the ether the ether the ether is everything right there's

35:41

only one ether and everything is like an emergent property of the ether and these are itself has surface tension

35:48

volumetric flow that's the magnetic field surface tense that's the dielectric field but they

35:55

work together like I could feel some I could feel some Walter Russell ken

36:00

wheeler stuff going on right there can we language yes yes

36:07

so my you know the Mandelbrot set is an embodiment of the principle of incommensurability which is space and

36:13

counter space it's not about the space and it's not about the counter space it's the boundary between things that's

36:20

where all the cool stuff happens it doesn't happen it happens at the boundary at the interface between space

36:27

and counter space that's why you get you know the fractal pattern so that's why there's a vacuum with each edge of this

36:33

right I'm actually not a big fan of the idea a lot of the ideas there with

36:38

lyrics to counter space however much of what you're saying is very much applicable no words evoke vibration is

36:48

responsive but I could do math with frequency of vibration though you see

36:54

I've here's what I'm talking about on this pages I say three domains there's three domains I call them domains the domain

37:00

of counterspace the domain of space or the domain of light and the vein of dark and separator

37:07

is the event right okay that's phenomenon that's physical matter that anything that you can

37:12

observe is at the interface between two domains you can call them what you want black and white counter space and space

37:20

dielectric magnetic late there's all kind of you know black hole photon

37:26

sphere like there's lots of names for it because it's not counter spaces in a place or a space it's a principle in my

37:33

mind that's how I'm teaching it that it can doesn't teach it that way but I'm

37:39

you know I'm it's a domain it's not a place it's it on a space counter space is a just a domain it's a mathematical

37:47

domain and you know so it's a it's a conceptual domain so it's cut you know

37:53

if you read mice if you saw my videos you'd have maybe have a better idea what I'm talking about but that's that's how

37:59

I'm rewriting the program I'm rewriting the program and that's my base class the

38:04

principle of incommensurability is my base and rewriting I'm going from procedural programming to

38:10

object-oriented programming computer yesiree fractals are object-oriented

38:16

programs to me so I'm just switching from you know the old-fashioned procedural spaghetti code crappy program

38:25

that is relativity in quantum mechanic and I'm rewriting the program and with

38:31

the member that is my muse my muse so out of curiosity do you have an idea

38:39

where the fine-structure constant is in your model I actually do I think I know

38:47

exactly what the fine struct I think it's a calibration error I'm seeing it

38:52

because I had to recalibrate everything when I rewrote my program right and so I discovered that the fine-structure

38:58

constant is is a calibration I think it's a calibration error there's another

39:05

guy Jeff Yee he's got particles of the universe since video series

39:11

he thinks it's like a gear ratio and it might be like that too it's like a you know the strong force is 137 times more

39:18

strong than the electromagnetic force and so it could also be like a gear ratio but it is the ratio between

39:25

elementary charge which is charge of the particle and Planck charge so Elementary

39:33

chart shows elementary charge squared divided by Planck charge squared is

39:39

equal to the fine-structure constant so it is the ratio between what we perceive

39:44

as elementary charge and what nature perceives as elementary charge right

39:51

that's like both sides of the event horizon so the fine-structure constant it's either a calibration tweak or it is

39:59

a gear ratio and actually I'm starting to lean towards the D ratio idea it's how do you get from one scale to another

40:05

scale in the in the fractal paradigm right and that's very interesting like I

Fractal nature

40:11

said there's there's a connection as much as as much as I do disagree with like some of the ideas of relativity we

40:18

can't deny the fractal nature of plasma and the way that this there is in

40:24

particular an activity that occurs at the boundary layers between a solid and

40:31

plasma in that area we have neutral matter and we or in some cases are very

40:38

highly charged double layer so there's no doubt in my mind that there is the

40:46

the that nature is why we see the fractal nature of space and of course

40:52

the golden ratio and so forth in the same case when the same structure and

40:58

tension between these two let's say plates the the our sphere and the ground

41:05

for example start creating light or life I mean you're going to have it sort of

41:12

form in the same fashion having the same principles which is of course why I like it but if you find final

Pythagoras

41:21

principals what are those principles if you can find those principles then you can apply them to almost everything well

41:27

and that's not that's not missed on most people in fact that's like literally Pythagorean right they're like rake down

41:32

to the like thing the cult of Pythagoras says it were back in the what twenty two

41:38

thousand three hundred years ago or so so they they went down to Egypt they organized tours to go down to to explore

41:47

and to to go see the temple of Abydos there and it's probably why the Flower

41:53

of Life is sitting on the side of that thing but still good guys as far as I know right

41:59

there's probably carved out later I mean I mean um Laura can you explain what

42:07

we're seeing here with this this triangles this is real okay so the black

42:14

region of the Mandelbrot set which I'm calling a black hole right the black region is different than the outer

42:21

colorful region right when you take when you take a complex point do you see the

42:27

real and the imaginary so the real number is the one on the top and imaginary numbers what that's a complex

42:33

number when you take a complex point on the complex plane in the black region and you iterate it so many many many

42:40

many many times okay what's happening is the point which I'm showing by the lines

42:47

between the dots right you can see how it's zooming in to a smaller and smaller scale the one on the right you can see

42:54

if you look at the dot you can see if you want to go back a bit and stop it maybe I can explain it a bit more yeah

43:01

here's a back a bit and stop it no problem maybe replay that zoom in video

43:06

actually just there start there that's a good spot so as so as I iterate these

43:15

the numbers are going to change and it's going to look like you zooming in on the right so if you play the video you'll

43:22

see you'll be zooming in it's like

43:29

but it's yeah it's obviously you're explaining probably at this point either

43:35

before or after the maybe I am maybe maybe a rate that's why I think's going on but still I understand it can you get

43:42

back up to where it was moving there I think either back up or speed up just check yeah there it is okay so back up

43:49

to where it starts that's good oh yeah that's good perfect

43:54

perfect yeah there we go okay there we

43:59

go let's so look at the number how the numbers change as it zooms in so it'll start zooming in there don't worry it'll

44:11

do it it'll do in a second but still yeah yeah yeah so basically what when

44:16

you iterate this I call it a wave function but like you know we're using their terminology so that big nice now

44:22

this is a wave function and what's happening is each time you iterate it gets smaller

44:28

well it's zooming in towards a singularity I call it a singularity which is why I call this a black hole

44:33

all the points in the black region do this they all collapse this is

44:39

collapsing and then at the end it breaks down because I run out of digits so you see the digits on the left hand side

44:45

there hmm the only reason the animation stopped is I ran out of digits if I had

44:51

more digit so I could keep zooming and theorist and right so it just might only

44:57

have 17 digits and so if I had more I could keep zooming and if I had more I could see your computer 20 I 128 256

45:05

whatever then I could zoom in more so the limit to the digits of precision of the computer is a limit this is where

45:12

the collapse breaks down okay trust be a model of implosion as well this is

Implosion

45:18

implosion this is implosion it is imposing absolutely the points on the outside do

45:24

the exact opposite Richard point is going to love you you see yeah the singular expand to infinity

45:30

so these little sides of the event horizon do different things they're in

45:35

commensurate that's that's part of the principle of incommensurability the points on the inside do one thing and

45:41

the points on the outside do an everything and the points on the boundary do crazy things on the boundary

45:48

don't know whether they're inside or outside and they keep going you know out nan Mountain Inn and eventually they

45:53

either escaped or they Class C this is why it's frequency and vibration right there see this rehear here okay okay

46:01

yeah this is this is it for me when I when I see stuff like this is the moment when I'm looking at the the idea that

46:09

like I I hear Richard I know Richard obviously loves mr. wheeler and I know

46:15

that that my friend a buddy is went to the Walter run I don't know he's they'll

46:20

know mr. wheeler by the way oh well you talk a lot about stuff that he's referring to press maybe you just heard

46:28

stuff that he refers to or videos like that but still either way let me let me

46:33

insert an addendum here there there is a conference coming up that I will be at

46:39

with Ken wheeler and Eric Dollard coming up it is in Idaho in July we all we

46:49

already have tables and we're going to be scheduled to be there it's at the same time as the thunderbolts electric

46:58

universe out in London or wherever it is so so we're gonna be able to talk a lot to call from both sides by the way buddy

47:04

because I say hi to him for me we do that there's only 80 seats left

47:12

but yeah I guess you know if it's able if you're able I don't know but yeah

47:19

we're gonna try to do as much as I can and I'm gonna have stuff to present to him so anybody who wants me to deliver

47:26

something or whatever in any form you know feel free to email me can you say

47:32

live YouTube conference from conference to conference

47:37

yeah that would be awesome I was thinking in terms of have it set up

47:43

broadcast like on a lunch break or something like that so the people from over there could say hi to people over

47:49

here during the lunch break throughout well would be ideal on talking periods oh I'll have my laptop I'll be walking around I'm positive in

47:56

fact if I can it's for it right to my telephone I'll just be like hey guys say hi to everyone

48:01

at home yeah and the phone's gonna be the easiest because watch that just sit

48:08

down and have a group of people if it's Ana quiet room and turn one phone on and

48:14

several people can talk into the same phone oh my god if we master it beforehand I can actually we I have

48:21

twitch T like I said which we've already ran a test and it works fine so all literally my friend would have to do is

48:28

literally load up my software which is currently running that's recording

48:33

everything and then he just hits the button that says start streaming and the moment he hits that boom it goes to

48:40

twitch TV to the electric view the electric view and we put I we just have to make sure we make it pretty with some

48:46

more banners and stuff I haven't touched it in a while but my friend is working on banners right now actually so if we

48:53

do this correctly then we can go ahead and have all that laid out ahead of time and then people can just ask questions

48:58

play from anywhere and type in doesn't matter where they are sounds good yeah

49:05

man I start doing I we have to start doing the live broadcasting have you imagined that people would go oh yeah no

49:12

problem hey guys I have a question uh Andy Ron over to Andy this guy here was

49:17

asking blah blah blah if people start asking questions to the conference people live while we're at the

49:23

conference would that be so cool hey okay we have a question for Eric dollar Eric that would be that would be just

49:35

the best so I know that Shawn has joined we saw his face popping around there so

49:42

hi Shawn haven't we just introduced basically are talking about this idea

49:49

the fractal nature of the universe and so forth one of the things I noticed by the way Laurie is when were showing that

49:57

video about the there's a when you said at the boundaries there's something but

50:03

at one end there's something and at the other end now because of these of these mathematical constraint the layouts that

50:09

you had put forth and what it looked like and I totally get that but what impressed upon me was

50:15

the idea if this was for example if

50:20

you've ever seen the difference between Lichtenberg patterns in positive and negative obviously the the the desire in

50:31

the electric universe is to try to it or at least in plasma cosmology especially

50:38

in Plattsmouth logic actually is to just basically say the universe behaves as it

50:43

does in the laboratory with regards to little tiny metal balls immersed in a

50:49

sea of plasma that's basically what it looks like and it forms certain structures naturally due to the

50:55

right-hand rule when you were talking for example about the the plate of the

51:01

galaxy spinning right that's the exact same language that wal thornhill uses

51:08

when describing the homopolar motor effect of the galaxy and and of course

51:14

it is basically a homopolar motor yeah it is exactly a homopolar motor seems to

51:22

be anyways yep and that would weaken wheeler would say - well this is why I

51:27

don't ever and I'm - Ken I guess because

51:33

but some of the esoteric stuff that he says I'm like that's unnecessary or maybe that's not required or are you

51:40

just guessing this but sometimes there's little bits of weight no that makes

51:46

sense and of course he does well but often he can make simple mistakes one of

51:52

the things for example I've watched a wonderful video and I and it bothered me greatly because it because it wasn't it

52:01

was the what people were attributing to it as opposed to what it was and he had

52:06

a wonderful magnet and he was showing a spinning gyroscope and he said look when I bring the spinning gyroscope to the

52:12

edge it slows down but I bring it to where more flux is at the pole and it

52:17

doesn't slow down why is that it should slow down and I reminded of course

52:25

the the bothered be greatly for a moment until I went will move away no no no the

52:30

original thing is how many lines of force are crossed by a surface area in a

52:35

disk form or whatever shape you wish and those crossing into the line are what

52:40

actually generates the lag exactly and the eddy currents within it Lenz's law

52:46

so when I cut that into but over that I realized he's spitting it on the pole of

52:51

a magnet and it's not going away or from the magnet it's just spinning in a disk so it's it's actually inside the man

52:58

field it's experiencing the same flux at all points whereas the one on the edge is moving each point on the gyroscope is

53:06

moving towards and away from the magnet at any given time therefore generating

53:12

eddy currents within the metal itself and therefore slowing it down and that - conception especially when he's trying

53:19

to show magnetic fields and stuff those minor things can lead to larger

53:25

misconceptions that's all I'm concerned with other times I'm like no he's nailed it perfectly I don't have anything to

53:30

complain about so it is that thing that I have a you know what I shouldn't really complain too much because I bet

53:36

you I do it - I bet you I have further severe I may be afraid to admit yeah

53:56

there's there's a certain amount of yeah there's a certain amount of something within him that that might make that

54:03

challenging that's why I'm afraid to press maybe talk to him sometimes I'm like maybe we should have a conversation

54:08

than like you know how that's gonna go he's like yeah I mean I don't want to be

54:22

bad to the guy who wants to bash a guy right exactly he's trying a free education and he may not be a hundred percent but he's trying and I don't give

54:29

a you know sure yep I appreciate it I know good from bad I'd like like I say

54:36

everyone has a piece of the puzzle I don't know if you know the Robert distint II actually Robert Dugan he made a video on ken wheelers

54:43

gyroscope you know and he basically said exactly what you just had well Bert he's an electrical engineer he's an

54:49

electrical engineer and he's a really good ministry he's rewriting the program - he's doing

54:54

it his way and I'm helping you know here and there and bringing people together

54:59

like Jeff Yi who is particles of the universe and Robert is Stimpy I got them

55:07

together and then we wrote a paper on it so you know there's really good stuff

55:13

going on how do you spell his name Robert the IFT inti and there it is

55:23

defend this di FG inti yeah so the

55:29

natural philosophy society the critical thinker one that you're pointing at that's the natural that's the group I

55:35

was telling you about he made a video on Robert E great and it's pretty good oh that's good finals going on here

55:44

yeah oh we don't need to know just skip

55:50

to the pretty stuff yeah or is this not him or is this that's not him that um

55:59

David Hill ster who is the president of the John Chappell natural philosophy

56:04

Society and he makes a lot of videos he's got a lot of videos out there and he you know makes fun of people so go to

56:11

the stinky comm yeah and then he is

56:16

working magic there's a longneck that's

56:24

his the goddess of nature that he uses as his logo it's nice actually he's just

56:30

sticking his neck out there I see it I see it I know it's a he does that or

56:37

he's like no it's a hangman but I've just been hanging here for a while it just takes a while he's getting very

56:44

tall what I'm just

56:52

that's great those are good I just say whatever's on my mind as long as it's

56:59

fine it's so good it's not good I'm not gonna hurt it I didn't no need to hurt people's feelings so what is it Jones he

57:08

thinks we can break the light barrier I'm pretty sure we could - as far as you

Discussion

57:14

know you know you already know it's true you just told me the formula that shows it's true I mean you were just talking

57:21

about it force equals G mmm over R squared or K the Q Q over R squared

57:29

there's no time factor in that that means that if Coulomb charge changes here on this sphere then it that it will

57:37

be felt relative to the change to everything in the universe at the same time if mass was to suddenly leave which

57:45

seems impossible but an electric model probably isn't because somehow there

57:52

seems to be a relationship to charged bodies and mass or inversely an inverse

57:59

relationship it's like some of the charge is somehow making the body appear

58:05

lighter and that is creating havoc with

58:10

what we think about the objects in the source for example this new ultima thule

58:17

thing that we found which is obviously just not unlike slag from a welding

58:24

machine two little spheres sort of connected flung off but because the

58:30

incomplete pinch as you saw from those coins shrinkage the weird mangled coins

58:36

well then you have three other spheres that are orbiting in collect and there

58:42

there's no way that this thing has enough mass to do that but it has certainly has enough electrostatic potential to do that and this as you

58:49

pointed out the models are the same so this becomes what the heck is going on

58:56

here because this suddenly suddenly what they sense gravitationally to each

59:02

towards each other is also not what electrically towards each other is when

59:07

if you have a bunch of for example remember when you were first saying no this is what it looks like in visible

59:14

light but in infrared you can see how much more potent this star is and those

59:20

stars oh my god it's crazy you know and you were told that's an amazing difference well the the same friggin

59:25

thing would be happening to planets what they they see each other gravitationally but they also see each other

59:32

electrically and they see each other instantly electrically just as much as

59:38

Andromeda senses the Milky Way electrically and gravitationally they're

59:44

very far far far far far apart but electrically they probably have a

59:49

relationship at that distance and this is this kind of well he's talking about

59:56

it right here literally so he's our his equations the the first one is Coulomb's

1:00:03

law the last one is F equals MA the middle ones are for magnetism and these

1:00:10

are new that's what he developed so they're very interesting so he's got

1:00:16

enforce equations to describe magnetism

1:00:22

that's actually no no not really it's I mean it's not instead of instead of

1:00:27

Maxwell's law which are field abstractions they deal with the field

1:00:33

his equations deal with forces so it's it's force equations are more useful we

1:00:39

want to know if I do something what force is going to you know oh yeah he's hiding out right Maxwell's equations are

1:00:47

not we don't run tires on a dyno meter for for no reason we want to know the

1:00:52

force we went to the power wouldn't it make sense that if there's a certain

1:00:59

amount of energy flowing through a body or mass in space that is what gives that

1:01:07

mass its gravity and the variability of the amount of energy going through those

1:01:14

objects is the mistake that that new made and also the mistake that Einstein

1:01:21

made I think we actually made any material given what Newton could no he

1:01:28

didn't make any issues whatsoever my mistake you're an interpretation no

1:01:34

no no I mean he even was very clear Newton is 100% exonerated from anything

1:01:39

he said I framed no hypothesis I have no idea why this force exists I'm not basing it on anything I'm telling you it

1:01:44

exists there it is deal with it but the trouble is is that later exactly and

1:01:50

that's what exactly what Maxwell did in Raleigh especially when you get to the force equation Coulomb I guess in this

1:01:55

case when he was like no boom straight this is it what this one this is it the point that I was trying to make is

1:02:01

gravity is seems to be not worried about at the moment but change the amount of

1:02:06

energy coming through the earth that might change and I think it did in the past where dinosaurs lived in one-third

1:02:14

fifty percent less gravity then we enjoy now oh you're so you're not going to

1:02:20

lose anything from us I agree I'm not sure the relationship though and I'm not sure the consequences whether or not it

1:02:26

was induced by an overall change in the

1:02:31

entirety of the solar system or was it more local because of events that were

1:02:38

transpiring it seems to be a longer term thing but it also seems to have a recent spike we note that there was dinosaurs

1:02:46

way back beyond yonder and this is just giving credence to conventional geology

1:02:53

at the moment so way back beyond yonder 65 million years in before these things

1:02:58

were there there was a bunch of other stuff that was there but recently ten

1:03:03

thousand years ago animals were big there was 200 pound birds that could not

1:03:11

possibly fly today that we're flying around there were giant sloths that were just doing the sloth thing I don't know

1:03:18

what they were doing but they were huge and it was counterproductive so I mean there had to be one with an end one side

1:03:25

with the time that that Saturn came in yes it does seem to know about it and

1:03:31

and we received and Saturn also received more energy than it did outside of the

1:03:37

solar system and that made one change and then we disconnected from that polar

1:03:45

configuration at one point and gave us even more energy at that point as well I

1:03:50

don't think it was more I think it was actually a reverse we started dropping down but remember any change in electric

1:03:58

potential will of course you know change mein egg field it's just a variable but

1:04:05

anyway the issue that we're dealing with like gravity and the speed of light I

1:04:10

think that's very true - but your your but when you're dealing with if this was

1:04:16

actually a polar configuration that and these plants were actually connected with us is we get understand that if

1:04:21

they are in series what would go through one go through all if you know what I mean so that does change the the exact

1:04:31

situation thanks Dave sorry I realized

1:04:37

was well we know sapphire slowed the speed of light down I'd be curious if if

1:04:44

they could speed it up somehow by maybe adding more energy into the system I don't know well let's be the light of

1:04:51

course is likely and actually known to be in real life I'm not making anything

1:04:57

funky about this known to change when it goes through materials so it changes

1:05:02

upon changing ident one yes of course no

1:05:07

no the speed of light is dependent on the medium that it's going through the speed of light depends on the medium

1:05:14

it's going through right right and so in in space the medium is and I believe

1:05:20

there's medium and we can call it these or whatever you want to call it fabric space-time it's the medium there's

1:05:26

medium and it's fought property this go property has got a property of permittivity and permeability yes okay

1:05:33

permittivity okay permeability times the speed of

1:05:39

light has the units of resistance so that's the inertial part of the ether

1:05:45

at perm sorry the permeability times the speed light has the units of resistance

1:05:50

that's inertia and there's been a resistance R the same thing permittivity times the speed of light

1:05:55

has the units of conductance okay so permeability sort of

1:06:01

permeability governs the inertial forces that we feel and permit and / you can

1:06:08

call it impedance or resisting thing yes okay so they're inverses of each other

1:06:14

permittivity and permeability are inverses of each other one covers governs the inertial properties

1:06:20

resistance impedance if you want to call it that and the other governs the acceptance of change the conductance the

1:06:29

how much it permits that's what called permittivity how much it permits change

1:06:34

and permeability is resistant to change and you need though you need both in

1:06:41

order to have phenomena in order to have anything right in order to have propagation of light or to have matter

1:06:47

in order to have anything you need two sides of the event horizon and that's where my fractal model comes in you need

1:06:53

your size yeah Verizon it's doing for nature so I don't know I don't like to

1:07:00

work dual because it invokes the word duality and the universe is just one thing there's only one universe there's

1:07:05

only one Mendel brought that there's only one complex plane it but it's got

1:07:11

different modalities it's got different modalities it's all one thing there's only one ether but ether has and this is

1:07:17

where I got the language from ten-wheeler ether has different modalities one is dielectric one is

1:07:23

magnetic great and gravity is dielectric

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magnetic and electricity is electric you know magnetic it it's either side of the

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event horizon so there's two sides to the event horizon well you might be able to call it cólera T's as well that's

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what polarity is that's what polarization it Koller ization creates you know is on

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either side of the event halogen is polarized you know like if you look at the metal broad set its polarized

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you can see it it's an embodiment of polarization it's not symmetrical it's left-right symmetrical but it's not

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up-down symmetrical is polarize right so

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it's a dipole and I think we see that in

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nature if you look at a seed or seeds are that kind of shape they're like the pear shape but they're not it's like

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perfectly round very very gonna find a seed that's where all the seeds are polarized

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all cells polarized as well and on the particle leaves everything actually look

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up type in nucleolus and UCL a nucleolus

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which is the nucleus of the nucleus of a cell yeah like that anyways there's I

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ran into one that looked like the mental broad set to me and so the nucleolus the

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nucleus of the nucleus of the cell is not centered on the cell it's shifted just like the memo Brett said is shifted

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in the complex plane it's polarized just like I don't know who said that but um

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you know yeah the cell is all right Richard yeah

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I'm not seeing the picture I'm looking for but anyways like you're right the there's polarization is part of the

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equation without that there's nothing in the universe it's an impossible so

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anyways interesting stuff well I believe magno fields are also polarized northern

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Pole one is one polarity and the southern pole is another converting yep yep there's an asymmetry there yeah and

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ten-wheeler did some studies on that where he exposed his to the North Pole and I did the same experiment at work

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alfalfa seed you expose it to the North Pole into the South Pole and the South Pole ones grow better than the North

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Pole ones they grow they get you know they're healthier they both go better

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they taste better that's you know there's definitely a difference between

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the two poles or not it's not symmetrical yeah I'm trying to get my friend to find something that I couldn't

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find for a moment there but I was realizing what I was typing wrong but go pick one of them there

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somewhere maybe the third one down that'll do doesn't my vision is just

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skip ahead to keep going ahead to edit it Yeah right there somewhere why not

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right there but still yes they were trying to figure out what's the what

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you're talking about is exactly this equation here the R is the resistance and your XC in this case a capacitor is

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it the permeability and permittivity equation that you're referring to however right when it starts going

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forward because that you have it you have an alternating current going into it at 26 volts so basically it's not a

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steady stream of current so you have to basically figure out what the resistances of those two objects and the

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calculation of that it cuz ones on one ones at 90 degrees to the other they're

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not opposites at 180 they're actually at 90 that's what well and that that is a

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relationship that relationship exactly the relationship between that right angle is what gives you depending on

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frequency changes the permeability you get my meaning so everything changes together there's a

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physical disk the resistance of the material is one thing but then how how

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easy the the frequency passes through that material is another and that's why

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certain materials will have certain speeds and so forth and bla bla bla bla bla anyway that's all I wanted to show so

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because I love like would really I loved when I was like figured out what our Factory actually meant when I was like

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doing electronics I was like oh my god the world is this explains everything you know cuz you said like realizing how

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radio worked you know like you know kind of thing so anyway sorry for

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interrupting because I the the nucleolus and when you you were talking about it I was like I want to explain it in a way that made makes sense without and I knew

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I had a visual that I remember when I was when you know because basically it's not perfect on this one but that you those

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US Air Force guys knew how to make a friggin video like they were like here's how you calculate it and it was just

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like forward basic no not nothing fancy this is how you do it here's a graph you

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blah blah blah the frequency you have coming in is going to relate to the power factor that you have going through

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it blah blah blah capacitor yeah yeah that was like perfect

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